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i'm yasmin vossoughian at msnbc world headquarters. a full-court press from the white house on the russia investigation in the wake of what some are calling the smoking gun e-mail involving donald trump jr.'s meeting with a russian lawyer, and the president sending a flurry of tweets and putting his lawyer out on all of the sunday shows to push back against that story and a delay in the health care battle and senator john mccain means no vote on the gop bill this week. how will the extra time affect the republican effort to repeal obamacare and the next hour, you don't want to miss it. "trump at 6 months." we'll look at what donald trump has done, the good, the bad and the downright crazy and an in-depth look about how trump voters feel about him now and would they or would they not change their vote?
an investigation in the white house launching a new more aggressive counter campaign after a week of explanations, team trump is punching back hard to keep the president out of the story. take a listen. >> no, i don't represent donald trump jr., and i don't know for sure who was at that meeting. >> i don't think the denials are suspect. and i don't think the denial by the president of the united states is suspect at all. >> i'm not involved with the discussions with the lawyers about wo paid what entity and i certainly don't represent donald trump jr. >> i don't represent donald trump jr., i represent the president and the president was not aware of that meeting. >> i'm -- obviously e the president has been very clear on that. he had no meetings, and was aware of no meetings with russians. >> jay hit all five morning news shows and he wasn't the only member of team trump who came out swinging this morning. the donald himself got back on
twitter and released a storm of messages voicing strong support for his son and being looking at last year's election for another shot at mrs. clinton. that's not the only axe being waged. team trump pushing hard on the claim of mrs. clinton is guilty of everything they say. the president is not. >> the opposition research in campaigns happens all of the time. you have the situation with the ukrainians doing the same thing with the democratic national committee and the clinton campaign. >> and a raging bipartisan -- excuse me, a raging partisan dispute over the white house claim that the clinton campaign did the same thing in ukraine as trump denies doing with russia. "the washington post" asked a legal expert about the ukrainian claim, and he said there are troubling questions about ukraine involvement in our elections. the difference is that there is not clear evidence of the clinton campaign coordinating with a foreign national or encouraging or accepting their help. so if the white house is pulling no punches this morning, then perhaps it's because of some new
polling out today and shows a strong majority, 55% say trump is not making a significant progress on his agenda. more even more to discover about who was in the june 9th meeting with the russians. so far we know at least six people who were at trump tower that day. one of those in attendance, renat akhmetshin. jared kushner was also at that meeting and that has democrats taking a hard look at the president's son-in-law. >> we know that jared kushner who said he had no meetings with russians has now had three meetings and we want to know the contents of all those meetings. we want to talk to donald trump jr., and we also want to talk to mr. manafort who had a history of dealing with pro-russian forces. the thing about this investigation is it feels like almost every week, we find another thread that we have to pull on. >> let's get into these threads, shall we?
kelly o'donnell in piscataway, new jersey. good to see you this sunday early evening. >> we heard senator warner say there's a new thread to pull out of this investigation every single day. what's the mood at the white house over the weekend? >> reporter: well, there has been concern about the fact that this now clearly puts donald trump jr. in the room with the then chairman of the campaign paul manafort, the president's son-in-law and current senior adviser in the white house jared kushner all meeting with a couple of individuals with ties to the kremlin. that is a troubling situation and the white house is not talking about it in terms of the official white house statement. certainly, the president is talking about it on his twitter feed and his personal lawyer, part of his outside legal team made his round on the sunday show asks there is concern because for about a year or so the white house and allies of president trump and the trump campaign have said there was nothing to any of this, and now, of course, there is a specific
e-mail chain, conversations and statements statements that have evolved and the senate intelligence committee wants to know more. they want to interview donald trump jr., paul manafort and others. they hope to be able to get more about what happened inside the meeting to know exactly who was there. were other meetings taking place that perhaps there is not yet documentation for, other e-mails and that kind of thing. there's suspicion there could be more because of the rolling disclosure where jared kushner on his security filing did not initially list his meetings with foreign nationals. he had to do supplemental filings to put all of that out there and that's, in fact, how this meeting with donald trump jr. became publicly known because kushner had to disclose it, and then, of course, the differing statements. when donald trump jr. first acknowledge this, he said this is everything and then later we learned there were additional individuals in the meeting and there was a direct attempt at offering something about the clinton campaign that enticed
them into the meeting and at the same time donald trump jr. saying it was really a conversation that dealt with a russian adoption program that was popular for americans and canceled by president putin when he was upset about an american law putting sanctions on certain russian businessmen who were committing human rights violations. so there's a lot to look at here, and of course, it's very politically charged, and when you have the president also defending his son saying that he's being mistreated by the, quote, fake news media, that just amps it up. it's personal. it's professional. there is a lot happening here and so the white house is trying to keep moving forward on its own agenda, but this is obviously something that affects the president very directly. >> certainly, a lot of threads there and a lot of drip, drip, drip, that has ta lot of people scratching their heads. kelly o'donnell, thank you always. i want to bring in the bureau chief for msnbc political analyst. christina grier is a professor
of political science at fordham university and former aide to president george w. bush. welcome to all of you. david, i'm going to start with you. let's take a listen to a former cia official who is giving his take on this whole potential connection between the trump campaign and the russians and then we'll talk been. >> clearly, the russians have been looking at the trump people for a long time, years, perhaps and had gathered assessment on what kind of people they were, and what kind of ego they had, what kind of business ties they had. so this could be a much longer operation, and again, the goal here is they're trying to do harm to the united states. >> david, trying to do harm here to the united states, also what was staggering and really interesting for me to hear in listening to that is how they may have been looking at the trump people for years there. >> we get focused on the drip, drip, drip, rat-a-tat-tat out of
the meetings. >> the biggest pointses and that's without knowing what came about in the meeting and we were told nothing and nothing the white house and the trump team says can be believed at this point. what we see from the e-mail is one, the putin regime wanted to help donald trump by hurting hillary clinton. that's clear and they wanted to do it secretly and they wanted to engage in a conspiracy with the trump campaign to do that. the trump campaign on the other side was eager to do that. they didn't say go away, we don't want anything to do with you. the three of the most senior trump advisers eagerly joined in to see what information they could get and secretly plotting with a kremlin official and then to take it beyond that. starting a few days later and throughout the rest of the campaign there were many charges and allegations and they turned out to be true that russia was, indeed, meddling covertly in the u.s. election and all those people in that room, manafort,
donald trump jr. and trump senior himself kept denying that russian his anything to do with it. they kept saying that's not true. the democrats are just ginning this up. they had reason to believe from those e-mails onward that the russians were involved. so they were helping to cover up what the russians were doing. they had inside information and they said the opposite. this already is a big scandal regardless of any of the meetings or anything else we learned about that particular meeting. >> the th >> that e-mail seems to be the smoking gun. shelby, we heard president trump's lawyer there talking about republican claims that the democrats were somehow mixed up with the ukrainians and trying to redirect there. tell me more about this. >> this is something a lot of people do care about because there is evidence that a hillary clinton campaign associate went to ukrainians and went to the embassies and asked for information about paul manafort. paul manafort was involved in ukrainian politics a while ago, and he was work other for a
pro-russian guy. what ended up was there was an investigation and we found out that there was a ledger with alleged payments from this pro-russian guy to paul manafort. so this came out in the public. it put a lot of pressure paul manafort. paul manafort eventually stepped down from donald trump's campaign. it was a big political deal if you remember around the time of the conventions, but when you talk to people who are analyzing both sides of this they say there are big differences here because it was not a top down effort from the ukrainians to interfere in the u.s. election like we see with intelligence agencies saying it was top down with russia. we did see this come from putin himself. also russia obtained information by hacking. this ukrainian information was obtained by an investigation. look, i don't think either are great and this gives trump supporters a lot of ammo, frankly. because what they point to whenever anything when trump and russia comes up, clinton was so corrupt trump had to expose it and they see this as doing the same, exact thing and you can
argue the nuance that it's not the same thing, but it does give fuel to trump's base. >> i see you shaking your head. >> it's absolutely not the same thing. >> yeah. >> whattic mas trump's interaction so dangerous is this isn't one election. >> we have another election coming up next year and another election in 2020 and the fact that he and his family and his ilk are still trying to cover it up, lets us know that the russians are already in our system and they will continue to be in our system to make sure that they get the outcomes that they want especially when crowe have a leader who has absolutely no idea how the government runs and he's surrounded himself with people who are shaky with understanding what the democracy means and what the constitution means and they love seeing this interplay between the democrats and republicans where there is this quid pro quo and tit for tat. it's absolutely not okay, and investigating manafort is fundamentally different than having putin and his allies come
into our system. >> this is what people do in politics. >> if you listened to him from the beginning. he said politics is dirty. people play dirt ney politics. to his supporters, they see this as just trump fighting back. >> it doesn't make it right. >> what he's done is plant the seed that the media is fake. so now that we are exposing the truth of certain things that has actually happened, they can say it's people like yasmin who lie all of the time. not you specifically. >> want to bring joe into this conversation. i know you've been standing by patiently and we appreciate that. >> glad to. >> let's talk about the trump tweet storm on this whole don junior issue. is that an effective way to respond to the story or is that a sign that the coverage is getting to him? >> i think a lot of people would say that they've had enough of the tweets. i think that a very effective tool for president trump with his base. his base certainly responds positively to the tweets.
they feel like he's under siege and when he tweets, of course, they're quick to support him. i don't know that that's so for the rest of the country. if this had been a traditional campaign and you had a campaign counsel would have advised against taking a meeting like this and this was not a traditional campaign and don junior took a meeting that was ill-advised and sadly, was joined by paul manafort and jared kushner. it's just unfortunate. it's not going to go away any time soon. it will continue to be investigated, obviously, and it doesn't help in terms of the -- i don't think it becomes a prosecutable offense and with regard to how it looks with the collusions with russians in the campaign. it leaves a bad taste in everybody's mouth. had i been don junior i would have come out and told the truth about everyone that was at the meeting. i think to have withheld some of the information only has made it
worth. >> we'll talk about whether or not this is a prosecutable offense in the upcoming segment. david, i heard you. i think you want to chime in there. >> it's more than just leaving a bad taste in one's month here. the trump campaign has said literally a million times we had nothing to do with russians. we had no collusion. that is just a big, fat lie. donald trump said that. they've been proven to be totally wrong and that they covered it up. it's not just that they're wrong. they stonewalled and lied and covered it up. it's a conspiracy. they tried to implement a conspiracy with putin's regime and that's nothing compared to one democratic freelance operative trying to get information out of the ukraine which was a democratic government at the time from a corruption investigation that was public, compared to dealing with putin, a repressive regime where they killed dissidents and journalists and we were just saying donald trump jr., was
naive and this is an ill-advised meeting and this is profoundly, undemocratic and a threat to national security and shows that you can't trust anything any one of them says. it's a profound sort of disaster point for the republic. >> as you can tell from this conversation so far we have much more to talk about. shelby holiday, christina grier. they're not going away. keep it here, everybody. up next, we continue the conversation on russia with a look into the legal issues and what they mean for trump and his team as this investigation grows. i am joined by an excellent legal panel straight ahead and "trump at 6 months." we'll have experts and a panel of 2016 voters who will tell us whether they would vote the same way now. keep it here. then we've got the bendy... ... spendy weekenders.
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attorney jays a akalou. a russian lawyer and a lobbyist suspected of having ties to russian intelligence. a translator and maybe others met at trump tower during the campaign to discuss dirt on hillary clinton. so was it collusion or was it illegal? sekelow made the rounds insisting there was nothing nefarious in trump junior's meeting with the russians and the ever-changing story about it. >> you used the trade, chuck, cover-up and you've had lawyers on your broadcast and everybody's coming to the same conclusion regarding the legality and nothing illegal about the meeting and there's no covering up and that say big word to use and there was nothing illegal to cover up. >> nothing came of that meeting and he took to twitter defending his son. hillary clinton can illegally get the questions to the debate
and delete 33,000 e-mails, but my son don is being scorned by the fake news media. the washington post poll out this morning think 63% think it was inappropriate. andrew shapiro, former assistant secretary of state for mitt cal and military affairs and richard painter, chief white house ethics lawyer under george w. bush. welcome to you all and thank you for joining me on a sunday. was it illegal and if so, what was the crime here? >> at the end of the day this is bob mueller's call. he has a lot more information than we have and he'll put all of the pieces together. but i think it's helpful to try to give the american people some sense of what he'll be looking at and how he'll be operating. so this meeting has many of the hallmarks of the type of criminal conduct that's prohibited by a statute that makes it illegal for anyone to either solicit or accept a
contribution or a donation from a foreign national in connection with the campaign. >> this is cooperation that would be unprecedented certainly with the russians. this is the type of incident that bob mueller will be giving a hard look and scrutiny as this meeting has come to light that looks like people have a lot to hide. he said nothing that happened here was wrong and it's the incremental truth telling and the constant drip, drip, drip, security forms by jared kushner and the participation of paul manafort who is a veteran of 20, 30 years of campaigns would have known that this sort of contact with the foreign government was illegal. all of these pieces when they're put together lead one to believe
that mueller and company will be giving this a very careful level of scrutiny. >> joyce, let's quickly talk about jared kushner and his exposure legally to it all. i know when you're filling out the security forms you literally have to list your grandmother if you had a meeting with your grandmother who is not a u.s. citizen there. what is his exposure here in that he did not disclose this meeting? >> there's also a federal law that makes it illegal to make a false statement to the government, a materiel false statement. kushner's excuse that he was busy or someone hit the button too early, i think these sorts of excuses will not withstand scrutiny. for one thing there are a lot of layers that you'll go through before filing and it's not just a quick push of the button and there is, frankly, no excuse for hurriedly filling out your forms and leaving a piece of information out, let alone a hundred pieces of information. the fact that these critical meetings with the russians are excluded, not just some sort of
a happenstance conversation about adoption, but as we now know a conversation that was intended to look at obtaining information about the russians about the clinton campaign, this is very serious. this is the type of exposure that i think will cause kushner's lawyers to have a lot of concern, and we have not seen him in the public eye. he appears to be taking the advice of counsel and laying low while all of this develops. >> and the major difference here, the thing that everybody knows is jared kushner is a part of the white house, paul manafort is not. is this the smoking gun that shows collusion? >> it certainly shows that the trump campaign and don junior were eager for cooperation and collaboration with the russians. the question is what happened after this meeting, and i think that's something that bob mueller is going to look at. i think the meeting in and of itself in don junior's reaction to an offer of damaging information is truly
unprecedented in american politics, and that in and of itself is deeply, deeply troubling no matter what the legal ramifications are. the idea that a campaign representative would welcome the interference of a foreign power in a u.s. domestic election is truly without precedent and it is something that should be disturbing to all of us as we think about upcoming elections. >> there is a difference between seeing that don junior took this meeting and invited paul manafort and jared kushner to the meeting and making a that the now-president, or then-canned adtrump actually knew of the meeting or has any connection to anything having to do with russia. >> well, i would be shocked if he had not been told about the meeting at the time the meeting took place. we have the top three people on the campaign, saying the russian
government wants to influence the election in favor of donald trump and had damaging information on hillary clinton. at the same time donald trump was tweeting out that he would come out with there are more hillary clinton e-mails and going on and on about that. i would be shocked if he didn't know, and i have to say, i'm getting very tired of hearing the comparisons to the clinton campaign. yes, we had some sharp operators working in the clinton campaign, and i of course, would have been happy to criticize them because i've been a republican for 30 years, but this is not -- in no way can be a comparison to what the clinton people, some low-level operative was doing in the u crane or whatever. those are the top three people in the trump campaign who are meeting the russian agents and promised damaging information on an opposing candidate and this meeting probably would have been illegal coordination even if it would have been with americans because you're not supposed to
be coordinating with outside groups and i'm shocked that no one called a lawyer for the trump campaign and proposed, you know, what we should do and asked what we should do about this meeting. apparently, they just go in there and do it, and i think then-candidate trump must have known about it. his lawyer blames the secret service which is absolutely absurd. the secret service does not clear people for a meeting from donald trump jr., but the secret service would clear people from meeting with a candidate. >> not to cut you off, it is important to note that nbc news has confirmed that the secret service was not protecting don junior at the time of the meeting. just to put that out there. >> of course, not. so why is the lawyer for the president saying that the secret service is to blame? that only makes sense and the secret service only would have known about this meeting if there was a proposal for donald trump senior, the candidate, who is protected by the secret service to attend the meeting. so maybe there's more smoke there, i don't know, but we have
lawyers going on tv and telling falsehoods on behalf of their clients. the administration has been lying about contacts with the russians for six months and every time there's a new revelation they say what about hillary? what about hillary? we're getting sick and tired of hearing about hillary. donald trump is president of the united states. they've got to stop lying and let the american people know what happened with the russians so we can go about the business of this country. >> donald trump certainly is president and hillary clinton is not. richard, what's next for this investigation? excuse me, andrew, what's next for this investigation here? >> well, i think the question is going to be what happened next? was this the only occasion when the russians tried to coordinate with the trump campaign? it seems unleakly and so now they'll be looking at e-mails, questioning members of the trump trump and the trump family about what other connections and contacts they had and indeed
what were the do outs and bob mueller has his hands full and it teams like this would lead to the investigation. >> involving this russia investigation. we'll get on that, thank you all for joining me on this sunday evening. we appreciate it. is the plan to replace obamacare still in jeopardy now another delay for republican and it is because of the health of john mccain. my panel will join me next to break it all down. across the country, we walk. carrying flowers that signify why we want to end alzheimer's disease. but what if, one day, there was a white flower for alzheimer's first survivor? what if there were millions of them? join us for the alzheimer's association walk to end alzheimer's. register today at alz.org/walk.
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welcome back, everybody. more delays today in the latest gop effort to replace obamacare. mitch mcconnell said he's putting this week's expected vote on hold while senator mccain recovers from a the removal of a blood clot. the arizona senator is recuperating well, but will most likely beside lined for a week. >> we wish john mccain a speedy recovery and need him in more ways than one. we have a full contingent of
senators and we'll have that vote. it's important we do so. >> and a delay coming as a proposed republican bill faces increasing doubt and scrutiny. kentucky's rand paul and maine's susan collins both opposed the bill sharing some of their concerns earlier today. >> i don't know whether it will pass, but i do know this, we should not be making fundamental changes in a vital safety net program that's been on the books for 50 years. the medicaid program, without having a single hearing to evaluate what the consequences are going to be. >> we have a clean repeal and then we'd have a spending bill and they could be advanced simultaneously really on the same day. moderates would get what they want, which is more debt for the country and more spending and conservatives would get what we want, a clean repeal which is the only thing we promised in the election and we promised it over and over again and it annoys me that republicans are
going back on their word to repeal obamacare. >> and the cbo analysis is due out this week. it's still expected to have an impact on those still undecided about the current obamacare replacement. back with me is msnbc political analyst and david corn, and wall street journal, and associate professor of political science and former george w. bush white house aide joe watkins. welcome back to you all. david, i'll start with you. how is john mccain's absence will affect mitch mcconnell here to get this legislation passed? >> it affects it a lot pf mit. mitch mcconnell has absolutely zero margin and there are 52 senators who are republicans and he needs 50 votes because mike pence would presumably break the tie. you just mentioned there were two republican there, rand paul and susan collins who for very different reason, one to the left and one to the right,
cannot accept this bill and others who are undecided and who say they can't vote for a bill that has such draconian effects on medicaid and other elements. so it doesn't look like he has the 50 votes and with john mccain who would presume we would vote for it even though he's getting help himself these days, that makes it very difficult so he can't bring the vote to the floor. he's going to delay and we'll see when john mccain gets back, but this is the type of thing that the longer they wait, the more people talk about it and the more the polls show americans dislike it. so mcconnell is in a bit of a box. they tried to rush us through with a single hearing as collins indicated and it's just going to keep hanging out there and the bill is not getting any better. >> i'm wondering if in time maybe mcconnell can do some convincing, as well and maybe if we can feasibly work, and there are questions about the effectiveness before 22,000,024 million loss of people under
these new bills. how do you think it's going to affect the upcoming health care vote here. >> there are certainly some senators who will vote for this bill no matter what. >> no matter what. they promised to repeal and replace obamacare and a number of them are concerned. >> what's in it? >> we have an indication that many of them are behind it. can they get to 50? that's the big question and you were putting up graphics with all of the question marks and i do think the cbo is significant because every time the cbo score comes out it's all about the top number. the narrative goes straight to the top and nobody talks about how it would impact the deficit and what it would do in the long term and everyone looks at the top line number and 20 million would be uninsured. so we will see what the next cbo score comes out with. bee do know there have been major changes to the bill particularly with the cruz amendment that would allow insurers to sell skinny plans and it will be about the top line and that creates political
pressure and the fear is the locker the republicans wait, you'll get more and more pressure to vote against it and you will give analysts more time to explain how this really impacts the american people. >> and we will talk about those skinny plans, as you just said, in a second. i actually like that. skinny plans. a poll shows 50% prefer obamacare and 24% prefer the new plan and 17% want something else. is this something here that the democrats can grab on to and say, look, time to reach across the aisle. >> the democrats need to get it together in all honesty because they cannot be the party that is not trump. it is so clear that so many republicans just want to destroy obama's legacy. the obamacare is so much of the foundation of the obama legacy. they want to erase that because that sort of makes the eight years of obama sort of disappear
in a lot of ways. the problem is for those who support the gop plan, well, we haven't seen the gop plan. what have you read? they're rushing this through like gangbusters. if you're saying you're supportive, there haven't been any hearings so how can you say that you support it when you're just saying you support republicans, period, full stop because you fundamentally don't have any information about what's in the bill, except that you won't have coverage. so i think what republicans and what mitch mcconnell is opening will happen is that we'll be distracted by russia and he'll be able to talk to his colleagues and try and get them to come on the same page. for the sake of the party, this is what we promised and we actually talked about this for seven years once it was passed. >> i don't know if they'll akre essence b but they have to go back to their constituents and
say i took back medicaid and it's not about people of color and there are a lot of poor people. there are middle-class americans who need kid. does that not bode well for them in 2018. >> i'm wondering for how much longer that will work. let's take a listen to dr. price. >> do you think they'll be able to get this done, dr. price? >> the senators know that what's out there right now isn't working. >> it will be delayed and did mcconnell have the votes to get it passed? >> i don't know. >> joe, how much responsibility here do you think president trump has and should he take this all on and be stumping for this bill? i mean, where does this really lie? >> well, president trump has never been one to really care about the great deal about the specifics of the bill and he wants a bill that he can sign
and pass into law. from the standpoint of republican senators they have a heavy price to pay if they don't pass something because clearly in these midterm elections in 2018, republicans will be punished if they haven't done anything and if they don't have legislation to say they passed. with regard to healthcare, i think in a perfect world, americans would be offered the -- and you'd look for a way to improve what currently exists and not throw the baby out with the bathwater and at the same time, not put the poorest people, the most -- the people who are most exposed at risk. remember, what i'm talking about is medicaid expansion. you support it and that's because, again, over 30 states supported medicaid expansion. a lot republican governors signed on for medicaid expansion and it will be a tough call for senators in some of those states
so you better not sign on this bill and the support that the governors have for medicaid expansion, and i don't think even if john mccain has. a lot of work still to be done. it will be great work for the americans. >> i said we would talk about the skinny bill and the skinny amendment, two major companies coming out against that cruise amendment and seeing what that says about this bill. fantastic conversation. thank you. repealing obamacare, just one of the campaign promises donald trump has not kept, at least not yet. a look at promises broken and promises kept in our special "trump at 6 months." it's coming up next hour. you do not want to miss it, everybody. not your typical state of emergency in nevada. just days after recreational marijuana became legal in the state, a major shortage of pot has people worried. yep, that's the story we're doing coming up next.
welcome back, everybody. in arizona flash flooding has taken the lives of eight people. it happened in a popular swimming area at the tonto national forest. it was the result of a severe thunderstorm on friday. two people there are still missing. in indiana, a motor boat spins out of control killing ten passengers and they were able to get control and four of the passengers suffered serious injuries and the driver has been chargeded with boating while intoxicated. marijuana is back in high demand after the state of nevada declared a state of emergency after stores ran out of pot just two weeks after legal recreational sales began. gabe gutierrez is in las vegas with the latest report. >> the pipeline is back up and running slowly. some dispensaries re-stocking their shelves after what was shaping up a distribution
disaster. >> all of these bins were filled. >> when nevada kicked off legal recreational marijuana sales this month, shops like las vegas relief could barely keep up with demand. edibles especially flying off shelves. >> it has been insane, actually. it's been more than we have anticipated. >> reporter: growing it wasn't the problem. there's plenty of wholesale weed. the trouble was moving it to dispensaries. unlike other states, nevada regulators require alcohol distributors to transport the drug, but none was licensed when sales began. >> because we passed the law so fast and implemented it so fast we didn't have a distributor up and running, and it's a long story. >> reporter: or a cannabis conundrum. nevada's department of taxation issued a statement of emergency warning the industry could grind to a halt, putting an expected $60 million in tax revenue over the next two years in jeopardy.
>> that revenue is in the budget and we need to make sure the processes are in place to get it in. >> this week, the state officials met to try to hash out a solution and they passed emergency regulations to expand who can apply for distribution licenses. who alcohol sellers have been approved. that's not enough. >> we have 40-plus dispensaries in town that are in the same position that we're in. from a business perspective, obviously, it's not a good place to be when you don't have the product to sell to customers. >> call it growing pains in a budding industry as sin city goes to pot. gabe gutierrez, nbc news, las vegas. >> wow. what a story, right? after multiple setbacks the all-girl robotics team from afghanistan is finally in the u.s. to compete in the first annual global challenge robotics competition. the girls made their way 500 miles to the u.s. embassy in
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more more and stronger. new categories. even the amazon could dry out enough to become vulnerable. in 2013 smog was responsible for one-third of all deaths in china. soaring heat around the globe could fuel wars. the article says experts think drought played a role in the catastrophic civil war. in bethel, alaska, do you see that warping right there? drivers have to slam on their brakes there in the state of alas alaska, the result of thawing perma-frost. what do we want to do? we want to do a reality check on the story with a climate scientist with the colombia university earth institute. robin, save us. can you? >> woo! i just read a lot off disruptive stuff there.
the article is one of the most read ever in "new york" magazine. how accurate is that piece? >> there are some things in there that make everybody in my field go, ooh, that is really like taking things to the extreme that a lot of the scenarios in there are, if we crank things absolutely all the way up, or just things we are sure just aren't really right. >> we're going to go through some of that. >> some of it is worse wwt case scenario. i came from the institute where they invented global warming. people there aren't very happy. the world that's described in that is one that we don't have to live. >> they're not happy with the state of the environment right now but they're not necessarily subscribing to what's being said in that "new york" magazine article. i want to show people a pretty stunning, i have to say, image from last week that got a lot of
attention. this is one of the biggest icebergs on record. it broke away from antarctica. is this break-away the result of climate change? >> no. >> why not? >> because antarctica is all full of these iceberg factories. what happens every once in a while is an iceberg factory kicks out an iceberg. what we worry is when the iceberg factories disappear. we've seen antarctica warming and we've seen the factories disappear. these great big ice shelves like the size of connecticut that just disappear in a matter of weeks. that's not what happened here. this is an iceberg. >> this is sort of pro forma. it happens. >> it happens. i wouldn't worry about there. i would worry if we start to see more melting on the top of antarctica and more of these iceberg factories disappear. my team's going down in november to study the biggest one on the planet to see whether it's going to disappear. >> pretty controversial pick.
epa administrator scott pruitt. ep says that he wants to see the issue of climate change debated by scientists. maybe even on tv. what do you think about that? >> i think if it gets more people to accept the concept that climate change is happening, it's real, and that we all should be doing something about it. everything from you and i as individuals to our communities, to our states, to our federal government, to the global economy. >> maybe it won't be getting good press but people will learn about the environment. but it is science. you can't debate two plus two equals four. >> no, you can't debate it but you can put facts on the table and hopefully get people to say, okay, science is behind the concept that our planet is warming. >> now you are going to help me save people out there by telling me and everybody out there what we need to do to address climate change. in about 40 seconds. >> yeah, okay. for starters, i think we all
need to burn less carbon. so as individuals, we need to fly less, buy solar and wind for our electricity and get electric cars. that's as individuals. we need to make sure we support people in our state, federal and community governments who are taking action. >> okay. >> so that's individual and that's acting through our politics. >> i think so often a lot of times we make the mistake of thinking our small-scale actions won't affect the bigger picture. in actuality it is taking action on a small scale each and every single one of us. >> that is really the critical step. we as individuals have to step forward. >> robin bell, it was a pleasure. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> did we do it? i don't know. we'll have to wait and see. we'll talk in 100 years. stay tuned for our one-hour special, "trump at six months." the controversies, the legislative battles and the
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v. thursday marks the six-month mark of the trump presidency. in the hour ahead we are going to take a deep dive into what's happened since his time in office. the president's seen massive legislative failures and some successes as well. his war with the media has been daily. his twitter feed a hotbed of unforced errors and unsubstantiated claims, alliances with allies fractured but his base sticking with him. over the next hour we will discuss all of it in what has been a very consequential six months. >> so help me god.
>> congratulations, mr. president. this american carnage stops right here. >> marches of protests. rallies are still going on. it is millions of people in the streets of this country today. >> i'm establishing new vetting measures to keep radical islamic terrorists out of the united states. >> the aclu attorney who was inside and who is confirming, as you know, this dramatic stay being granted. >> meaning that your family is able to be sent back. are you feeling optimistic? >> yes. yes. >> michael flynn has resigned. >> the qualifications of judge gorsuch are beyond dispute. >> nobody knew that health care could be so complicated. >> he is saying former president obama wiretapped trump tower to pass that republican health care, obamacare, replacement bill. yesterday the first vote postponed. today it was rescheduled. >> we were close. it was a very, very tight
margin. >> tonight i ordered a targeted military strike on the airfield in syria. >> i decided rather than terminating nafta, which would be a pretty big shock to the system, we will renegotiate. >> make no mistake, this is a repeal and a replace of obamacare. make no mistake about it. >> they had this vote tattooed on them. >> the story of this past hour, the head of the fbi, james comey, has been fired. >> in your letter you said i accepted their recommendations. you had already made the decision. >> oh, i was going to fire regardless of recommendations. >> this tweet just came out -- james comey better hope there are no tapes for our conversations before he starts leaking to the press. >> you said there might be tape recordings. >> that i can't talk about. today's explosive story says president trump revealed highly classified information to the russian foreign minister. >> that memo reportedly says that president trump told director comey to shut down the
fbi's investigation. >> the deputy, rod rosenstein, today took himself out of overseeing the russia investigation. turning that over to robert mueller. >> but the entire thing has been a witch hunt, and there is no collusion. >> the president said i just fired the head of the fbi, he was crazy. a real nutjob. i faced great pressure because of russia. that's taken off. >> it's comey testimony. ♪ i can feel it comey in the air tonight ♪ >> i was honestly concerned he might lie about the nature of our meeting, and so i thought it really important to document it. >> i was fired because of the russia investigation. >> breaking news. the congressional budget office sees 22 million more uninsured. >> security trying to remove these protesters. there you go. here is somebody being carried out. >> oh, my goodness. >> it is an honor to be with you. thank you. thank you. >> "the new york times"
reporting that trump junior met with a russian lawyer. >> most people would have taken that meeting. it's called opposition research. >> there you go. six months in three minutes. how do you like that? joining me now, our special six-month preview panel, former vermont governor howard dean. "new york times" contributor nicelee alcindor. governor, the last seven days have been sort of the culmination of the last six months of russia scandals. we now know the june 2016 meeting was not just with one russian lawyer. there was also a former soviet counter intelligence sergeant and a russian translator. six months in, governor, what is the state of this white house right now, in your opinion, of course? >> well, i would say it was the same as it was on the first day.
just complete chaos, back-biting and very little getting done. look, i think the one steadying thing that's been terrific is having bob mueller doing an investigation. we're going to find out what really happened. the problem is that the president is underlining himself, even now with his base today, nbc came out with a poll that showed his approval numbers were awful, as they have been for six months. but the really significant thing was that in the counties that he won, he's down to 50% approval from 68%. that's a big deal. that's his base. if he loses his base, he's done and so is the republican party in 240 18 2018. >> his approval numbers down in the mid 30s but we'll talk about that in a little bit. in speaking of the meeting that don junior had with the russian lawyer, you think the president had anything to do with it? you think he had a conversation with his son after or before it? >> absolutely. first of all, donald trump has a reputation for being a micromanager. second of inconceivable that his
son-in-law and son would have a meeting with these russians, including pretty high-ranking people connected with russian intelligence, and then not report back to his father about smearing hillary clinton? which is what he was always top of mind for him? of course he knew. and also, his counsel unwisely speculated about whether the secret service has given him a pass and tried to blame the secret service for vetting the russians. if the secret service vetted them, that means they were scheduled to seat trump. during the program the family doesn't have secret service protection. >> the white house has not necessarily been forthcoming about russia. right? >> not a bit. >> don junior has kind of had some different stories about russia. sort of been the drip, drip, drip. this happened, then this happened. the story changed. it was an adoption thing. then he released the e-mails. his father applauded him. then the story changed again. then jared kushner amended his security form three separate times adding 100 foreign names
to that security form. i said this over and over on air, but i know about those security forms. you got to put your grandmother on that security form if she is not a u.s. citizen. >> reporter: are the last six months landing for you right now? >> i think that they are in serious trouble. i don't think that the russia story is going away at all. i don't think it is easing up on them. i don't think it is, okay, this is what the story is. i honestly don't know what the story is. i agree with governor dean, it seems very likely young donald talked this over with his dad, whether before or after. i don't know if we mentioned, paul manafort, campaign manager was in the room. you have three of the top people in the campaign meeting with these russian folks. the idea that trump didn't know is ludicrous. so i think shoes keep dropping, like it is a centipede. people are joking. the shoes are going to keep dropping. i don't know that they can do anything about it at this point. >> trump's defense right now when it comes to that meeting is
literally anything would have done the same thing, and this is just politics, everybody does this in politics, they talk behind closed doors. they get dirt on people. it is opposition research as they've said. has this been the trump white house's strategy so far, that it is all totally normal and just being exposed now? >> there is that strategy. there is also the idea that they also want to deflect to hillary clinton and the clintons and talk about her issues and what was going on during the campaign. third thing they do is basically cast it as though donald trump jr. was somehow a good son that was trying to do the best for his dad and really was just trying to be a good campaign person and maybe in some ways they're almost trying to imply he might not have known what was going on. i thing all these things for most experts that i talked to, most people, republicans that i've talked to, all of those things kind of fall flat. the idea that a grown person, an adult who's running a million dollar -- helping run a million dollar real estate company,
donald trump jr., that he would somehow not understand campaign finance and that he would not understand foreign nationals can't help you in a u.s. election is really hard to understand. but that is essentially what the trump administration and trump himself is saying. they are saying that he didn't understand that opposition research that's done on k street is different than when a foreign national offers you dirt on your opponent and that that's a different story. and that the second one is a very problematic thing to have. >> what could the trump administration have done? to avoid this whole russia thing? if they were completely forthcoming from the get-go, we had these meetings, we made these contacts, these people tried to have meetings with us. if they had put everything out there up front, would we be where we are at with this russia investigation? >> probably not. what the muller investigation will reveal is whether or not this is all just naivete and political malpractice or whether there is something more nefarious. america in november said that they wanted to elect swaun that
had never done this before. boy, are we reminded every day that donald trump and his staff have never done this before. because it shows. and as a republican who, frankly, doesn't believe that every policy idea the president has is a bad one, this is harming his legislative agenda. this is what is preventing the republican philosophy from taking hold and from legislation being passed. and to me, that's the biggest crime. >> joe scarborough was on "stephen colbert" i believe last week. conversation, why aren't more republicans standing up right now and saying this isn't okay. >> well, that's why i come on your show. i'm a republican and this isn't right. it is not okay. it is not the normal course of events and it is not how the country should be run. because again, there are fundamental things that a republican president or republican congress should be passing into law. that's not happening. >> so many controversies surrounding the white house as well, governor. i want to talk about the president's potential business conflicts so far. "washington post" reporting the state department spent more than
$15,000 to book 19 rooms at the new trump hotel in vancouver back in february when his children opened up the hotel. the president himself, governor, of the 25 weekends so far he has visited trump properties 20 times. that's 53 days in total. he has not visited a trump property only on five of the weekends since he has been in office. three of those he has been actually on foreign trips. he's only taken one weekend excursion not at a trump property and that was his time at camp david. governor, every time the secret service or any government official spends money on his property it is putting taxpayer dollars into trump's own business account. is this a scandal waiting to happen here? >> i think it already is a scandal that has happened. whether it is illegal or not, first of all, i am not an attorney and i am not qualified to say. second of all, i don't know if it is illegal. argument it is violates the e
emoluments clause of the constitution. the other thing about trump he doesn't pay his bills. he often settles for half of what he said he would pay them. then the subcontractor's screwed because they can't afford a three or four-year lawsuit. first of all, this is not moral. second of all, whether it is criminal or not i suspect bob mueller will look at that, too. he has sort of a super team of attorneys who are really experienced in looking at all of this stuff. >> that's really the question that we've had so many conversations about. it may not be moral but is it illegal? that's always the question that's been popping up. >> i have to leave that for an attorney. yeah. that i have to leave to an attorney. >> it's sort of been this theme over the last six months. a lot of people may not agree with what he's doing but could he feasibly be getting in trouble for it? >> he could feasibly be getting in trouble. i'm not the right guy to ask that question to. >> joan? >> yeah. right? we should have higher standards.
it's all just not what's legal. we don't all judge our behavior, we're going to do something, it's not illegal so we're fine. that's not how we think. especially for our president we have higher standards. there are ethical questions here and normally people divest themselves of business holdings like this. normally we hold them to higher standards. he just keeps on defining the bar lower and lower. >> if i could add, i think that he is also operating in a space where we's been able to be rewarded by doing that. in some ways the voters are the ones that set the bar and the voters decided that they wanted someone who was going to be -- who didn't really show their tax returns during other presidential elections as most other candidates have done. i talked to so many trump supporters who said, i understand that he might be going to his hotels and yeah, he might be doing this other stuff that maybe feels a little wrong. but at the end of the day we got the supreme court. we now have kneneil gorsuch.
he's really going to be setting the course of history for decades by winning that seat. there are other people saying, abortion rights, gay rights are also things that we're feeling really good about now that trump is in office. in some ways voters made the calculation that, they didn't think this guy was completely all the way moral, maybe they have issues and some people called him brash, some called him a wild card. at the end of the day people in some ways are happy with the idea he's able to push forward -- at least some republican policies. >> we have a whole hour to talk about this. >> beautiful. >> we're all going to stay here. this whole hour. coming up everybody, we'll talk about some of president trump's successes of his administration, including a stock market at record highs and trump voters, the base, remains firmly with him. we'll hit the road to talk to some of those voters. we have a special panel here in the studio a little later in this hour. >> january 20th, 2017, will be
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ba back with us, my panel. thank you for sticking with me throughout this hour. i very much appreciate it. the president's legislative accomplishments. i just talked about some of them. he signed 42 pieces of legislation, 17 having substance. 15 undoing obama rules. rest being ceremonial or administrative signings. there's almost as many reversing obama rules than passing his own. is this unusual for a president's first six months? >> i think what's unusual for a president's first six months is we have nothing upon which the president campaigned to show for it. we don't have an infrastructure bill. we don't have a tax reform bill. we sure as heck don't have real meaningful repeal and replace of obamacare. those are three things that any republican, any member of my party can get behind. you mentioned 42 pieces of legislation. i'm probably fairly politically astute guy. i'm not sure i could name one of them. i'm waiting for the big three. there is no movement on any of
them and it is very, very disappointing. and scandals like what we talked about in the last segment are a big reason why. >> the president's last rally was in iowa in late june. he touted his promises. let's take a listen. >> we've approved -- first day -- the keystone xl pipeline. the united states will withdraw from the disastrous paris accord. transpacific partnership, bye-bye. >> he pulled out of the paris climate accord. he has done some things he has promised to do. is it fair to say he hasn't sort of done things that have appeased his base, that they have been wanting him to do, the reason why he was elected in the first place? >> pulling out of the paris climate accord is a really big deal. it is probably one of the worst things anybody can done. he said he was going to do it.
many republicans even hoped that he would not do it. but he did. i think a lot of what his base likes about him and still likes is that he calls us fake news. he talks badly about people they don't like, including mainstream establishment republicans. they feel that just his attitude, even the way he kind of swaggers, and in my opinion, lies through the russia charges, that's part of what they voted for. they like that stuff. so, yeah, he's had a few successes. not many. but you've got to give him those things. >> you like her face there. can we get a replay of joan's face? >> it will be a gif by the time i get home.
you have both houses are your party. it should be a glorious time to be a republican. he shouldn't be sitting here with me. he should be drinking champagne someplace. >> maybe he is and we just don't know about it. i want to go to the president's actual campaign promises here. politifact is keeping track. in the first six months 38% of his campaign promises were in the works. 18% were stalled. 9% kept. 3% broken. we did the math. if you add the promises and kept -- if you add the promises, then in the works, that's nearly 50% right there. so howard, has his big-ticket item failures overshadowed some of those earlier successes we mentioned? >> no. you think you are counting things as successes that aren't successes. for example, the paris climate accords, he hasn't actually withdrawn from them. he has announced his intention to but you can't withdraw from the climate agreement for three years. so nothing has happened in fact.
tpp, there was an article this week that said the other 11 members were going alhead with this tpp so we were getting left behind. trump has given up american moral leadership in the world. when he went over at and the g20 became the g19 and america wouldn't sign the final statement, basically he made angela merkel and emmanuel macron of france the de facto leaders of the free world. basically we have given away the moral leadership of the world. do i not think trump has many real successes. i do think the appointment of judge gorsuch from a republican point of view is a success. i will give him that. the rest of it is really incredibly foolish, totally lax long-term thinking and is sabotages by his own childish behavior on twitter. >> so during the campaign
candidate trump repeatedly asked african-american community what do you have to lose when he asked them to vote for him. let's take a look at some of the president's criminal justice reforms. disbanding the department of justice's discrimination compliance division which was a very controversial decision. reviewing police reform agreements. lengthening drug sentences. pushing more mandatory minimum sentences and supporting texas voter i.d. law deemed discriminatory against minorities. are these successes to his base, and what does the first six months tell you about his plans for civil rights and for criminal justice reform? >> i thinkly answer the second questions first which is that i think these plans show they are really looking at civil rights as something that's too much pro activist or pro black lives matter and they really want to take that back and really make law enforcement feel as though they are more supported. it was something that was really big on the campaign trail. people that i talked to. i would say even -- i would say even establishment republicans
felt as though black lives matter was having too many wins. that activists were kind of pushing the legislative agenda of the doj. now that you see that turn. however, i will say when it comes to trump supporters, a lot of places that voted for donald trump have real problems with opioid addiction, have real problems with drug issues. when you look at mandatory minimum sentences, while it might of course affect african-americans disproportionately, just given who makes up the population in the criminal justice system, in reality we are talking about young, white kids in new hampshire that might have to do long, lengthy drug sentences when their parents want them to go to drug treatment centers. of course those drug treatment centers might also be either eliminated or cut back because of all the cuts he is planning to make to the social safety net issues and medicaid. i think what we are seeing is a civil rights agenda that in some ways plays to his base, plays to his idea that african-americans -- african-american activists were getting too many wins and they
really needed to go back to a more law and order sentiment -- another law and order type of administration. but i think long term it is really going to hurt his base and really hurt the people that need the help the most. >> thank you guys for joining me. we have a whole lot more to talk about. straight ahead, we'll take you to youngstown, ohio, once obama country, then went very strong for trump. how they see things after trump's first six months in office. >> i was elected to represent the citizens of pittsburgh, not paris. let's see,
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welcome back, everybody. at the six-month mark the president has low approval ratings nationwide below 40%. a new nbc news poll out today says trump country has not turned their back on the president. his approval stands at 50% in counties where obama flipped for trip or where trump greatly outperformed mitt romney in 2012. in youngstown, ohio, cnn traveled there to find out if they still store president trump.
>> reporter: at this dininger in youngsto youngstown, ohio -- >> now we are the laughingstock of the nation. >> reporter: six months into donald trump's presidency, locals remain as politically divided as they were on election day. >> he's doing what he's supposed to be doing. helping the country. >> the way that everything's getting trivialized in the news media, i don't think he is getting a fair shake. >> i feel like he's done nothing for us. >> reporter: back in 2012, 64% of this county backed president obama. but last year, nearly half of voters went for trump. >> he's not a politician. you know what i mean? he's more of a businessman. >> reporter: trump campaigned hard in this blue-collar region that never fully recovered from the collapse of the steel industry and population decline. >> i'm going to bring your industry back. >> reporter: he resonated with voters like this woman who voted for obama in 2012.
>> obama just wanted to please people. >> good morning. mr. trump for president. >> she even campaigned for trump online. >> making videos. posting how i felt about him, the opinions. even though i made people upset. >> reporter: since taking office, trump has not returned to that county. >> it is time to put youngstown, ohio -- >> reporter: but in june he cited youngstown for a reason to withdraw from the paris climate deal. it came as a surprise for the youngstown mayor. >> there is no evidence him pulling out of it is going to e create any additional jobs in youngstown or our county. >> reporter: one of the city's thousands of abandoned homes, the mayor told me he hasn't seen much change here since inauguration day. >> what do you expect in the next six months of the trump presidency? >> i'm not sure i expect much more than what we've seen for
the first six months. >> so nothing pretty much. >> the think pretty much the status quo. >> reporter: as donald trump begins his sixth month as president, job growth here in ohio for this year is about half of what it was at the same time last year. earlier this year, 3m factory workers nearby in ohio made a youtube campaign asking the president to save their jobs. >> a message to president trump. >> do not 3m send our jobs to mexico. >> reporter: with no response from the white house, the plant will close this summer. >> i've actually hired back four new people. four new people just in the last six months. >> reporter: still, trump supporters like business owner paul lighten say the president just needs more time. >> i think it is too soon to judge. the man just got up to bat. hasn't even had a chance because of all this political muck, you know, with ridiculous news
stories. >> one piece of advice you would give the president 40s next six months? >> stay focused. be a bull. keep on charging. don't stop. don't stop. we need as much help as we can to keep our businesses as strong and vibrant and our american economy. we've got to keep our american economy. americans first, jobs first, and we have to be focused. >> reporter: in youngstown, ohio, msnbc. here in our studios, we have on our panel of 2016 voters. we'll find out what they think of the trump presidency six months in. barack obama when he was president found out about this in terms of if it were russia. found out about it in august. now the election was in november. that's a lot of time. he did thnothing about it.
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before the break we heard from voters in youngstown, ohio. now to review the first six months in office, we've brought some voters live to the studio. paul anthony questa, supporter of donald trump. blair amani, voted for hillary clinton in 2016. amani al katapka, voted for bernie sanders. your man is the man of the hour, isn't he. i want to know sort of the question that so many people have been asking. is there anything that's happened in the past six months that has made you question your support for president trump? >> well, not at all. i think it is really important that all americans give the utmost support to their president. i think you have to take all steps. you have to reach out to your congressmen, even get down and pray every night. it is really important that you support your chairman. >> yes, he is the president of the united states but there's so
much that's transpired over the last six months, be it the russia investigation, his tweeting, things that he said about various people, the way that he's attacked fake news. you are currently sitting on our set. you can use your voice to talk to people out there. there's nothing that has made you question your support. >> well in regards to the president, he's an overall package. there are ways he could go above and beyond but he is going through a lot. we are dealing with an election that was very, very historical. we're six months in and i feel as though the opposition is yet to concede. we're dealing with a lot of people that are still questioning his presidency. they're still seeing if he's legitimate and there is a lot of allegations that really are unfair and it is really preventing us from moving forward as a nation especially through legislative affairs, through the republican majority, in both houses of congress and the executive branch. >> what allegations are unfair? >> i think the russia allegations are unfair. i think attacking his son is a little bit of unfair.
i think it is just a lot of things we need to make sure we focused on what really a president is supposed to do. >> let's talk about attacking his son and why you might think it is unfair. did you read the e-mails? >> i did take time to look at the e-mails. >> i'm paraphrasing here, but in these e-mails don junior is approached and asked to have a meeting with a russian lawyer. right? and in this e-mail he's told that there might be opposition research, there might be information, per se, on hillary clinton that he could get in this meeting. he basically in a nutshell says, heck, yeah, i'm into it, let's have this meeting. right? >> yeah. >> what do you see wrong or right about that conversation? >> is he allowed to sit in those meetings? i know that he is the son of the president of the united states. it's very unprofessional for him to sit in a meeting like that during the course of time. but i don't see anything wrong with him taking his own personal liberty to sit down with a russian. i have a russian friend. am i allowed to take pick sewers on instagram with him? >> right.
but you are not the president of the united states, are you? >> no, i'm not. >> does your friend work for the russian government. >> no, he does not. but still in this situation i think this is more -- i think it is being blown a little bit out of proportion. it is really taking focus away from the true situations that need to be resolved in america. >> what are some of the accomplishments you feel like you can hang your hat on for president trump? >> i think the strides he's taking for pro life in regards to the new mexico policy with preventing american taxpayer dollars to be funneled into international ngos because we've had americans jumping borders to get abortions. he's making great strides. the economy. the dow is -- we're doing very, very well. it is a little bit troubling to see what the media is saying in actual reality of how the economy is going forward. a little bit of a contrast. >> we'll talk about what the media is saying in a bit. blair, i want to bring you in to this conversation. i saw you shaking your head. >> i was shaking my head when he was talking about the new mexico policy. also called the global gag rule.
i think it is horrific to think that somebody's accomplishment in an administration is denying women decisions to make -- denying women the liberty to make decisions about their own bodies and to have bodily autonomy. to see that as one of the accomplishments is definitely something i disagree with because the new mexico policy actually prevents any organization that discusses abortion from being able to receive funding for family planning, which is something that we know prevents -- unplanned pregnancies and reduces the number of abortions and provided better health outcomes for women across the world. >> also sort of shows the policy differences you guys have and the reason you sit on different sides of the rile. right? you voted for hillary in 2016. now looking ahead, six months, or looking back six months really, what do you attribute to hillary's loss and do you think that hillary's taking personal responsibility for her loss at all and should she? >> i think that two things definitely contributed. one, the obvious upper hand that donald trump was given, the lack
of integrity that his administration continues to show. then also people being purged from voter rolls. there is an entire attack on the rights for people to be able to vote in elections. so there's still work needing to be done there but as far as pinning it on one person or looking at the faults and reason why hillary lost, i think six months into this game with donald trump it is time to not have that conversation anymore. it is time to figure out what we're going to do in 2018 and how we're going to flip things during the mid-term election. >> i want to talk about what you think the democrats' plan should be and what would get you sort of fired up and excited to vote for someone in 2018 so sort of flip the tables in the mid-te s mid-terms. then looking forward to 2020. we just saw our reporter in youngstown, ohio talking to people that used to be sort of obama country, now people who voted for president trump, still maintaining president trump. let's listen to then and we'll
talk. >> did you vote for president trump? >> i didn't vote. i am actually a precinct committee member from the democratic chair. i didn't vote either way because i was torn. being a life-long democrat, i was torn and i actually did not cast a vote. >> if he runs for re-election, donald trump, will you vote for him today? >> probably. >> so he's gaining support in this area. in speaking with this one man. this one guy says he would actually vote for him now even though he didn't necessarily vote for him during the election. this is a place that should have been bernie sanders' territory. what's your reaction to that being a bernie sanders supporter? >> i think that there are a lot of different issues that a lot of americans feel up in arms about right now. and there are a lot of emotions running high. we are in a situation right now at a national level where
there's many different competing opinions about how we should go about things, how we should address them. but the fundamental aspect of this that i think we've been really overlooking is that there is some core principles that we as an american people should uphold above all else, and i feel that kind ever as we discuss these issues, as we talk about where we land on a political spectrum, those ideas are what are getting lost. unfortunately, over the past six months, i think that that's more true than ever. >> paul, you going to vote for president trump in 2020 as of now? >> as of now? of course. yes. compared to the opposition, i think right now he honestly has not been given a fair shot. he's six months into the presidency and we're still questioning the legitimacy of whether he won the election. that's like me playing for my varsity basketball team but people saying my junior varsity stills are whack. >> what would tip the scales for you? >> i'd like to see a fair shot for him to be president. >> what would be the tipping point for you for president
trump? would it be a revelation about -- the russian investigation? what would shake your support for the president? >> shake my support for the president? i'm really not sure. i think that's a question for someone else. because me right now my state of mind is just given him support. even if you're on the other side of the aisle, just support the president and work with him. he's not going to have all the answers. it is up to us to support him, stand behind him and just give all the support we can. >> i'm sorry, it's really just indicative of exactly what the issue is amongst the american public right now. since. when has the american people ever stood for blindly following a leader without questioning anything that they do? >> i didn't say for you to blindly follow him. >> when you're confronted were ooh question of what would make you question our leader, the leader of the free world as we refer to him, and you say, i'm not sure because i support the president, i support the president. that is contrary to everything the constitution stands for, everything that it was intended to protect. if we're not even to raise these
questions and confront this power trip, then how are we supposed to progress forward? how are we supposed to preserve the values of democracy that we brag about as americans? >> if we're going to into these institutions we have to address those students that are being attacked on campuses, for bringing conservative speakers on campuses. if we want to have an open dialogue, talk about what's right and what's wrong, you have to give someone else an opportunity to speak and you have to give an opportunity as someone to serve as your president. >> is something going on here in that we're not listening to each other? >> i think we're definitely listening to each other but i definitely think it feels like a war of media narratives. something we must be clear about is that the united states, while our democracy was very much an experiment, the presidency should not be a time where, oh, let's just test the waters, let's throw this kind of loose cannon into all of these resources to be able to sign executive orders that separate families and to just wreak havoc
and something that i think is not being discussed, you talk about people having riots for bringing conservative speakers on to their campus. the president of the united states, donald trump, has incited more violence than he's done to try to quell, to heal, and to build communities together. it's -- the divisiveness isn't from these kind of commentators. it is from these policies that he's passing. >> and each and everyone of you have your own opinions. it is incredible that you shared it with us today. paul, blair and amani, thank you for joining us. coming up, the president's favorite target -- the media. a special panel will talk about that as our special "trump at six months" continues. keep it here. you're watching nbc news. >> where are you from? >> bbc. >> here's another beauty. >> it's a good line.
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welcome back, everybody. the president has spent much of his first six months at war with the press. while tension is normal, even necessary, with the press. the president has been on a crusade to under mind journal m journalism's facts and the free press. >> i have a running war with the med media. that look at the media back there. they would actually rather be here, i have to tell you. [ crowds booing ] . >> media outlets like cnn and msnbc are fake news. >> you are fake news. >> cnn. this phony nbc television network. [ crowds booing ] >> okay, joining me now, the distinguish professor of the
history of america university, welcome to you both and welcome to you all. erika, i want to start with you. lets look at this number, this the number americans who support the media watchdog role. democrats are more likely to support the watchdog role. look at the chart. it was not always that way. it was actually in the high 70s until 2016 then a huge drop off for republicans. what do you think happened there? >> well, lets be honest of what's happening here. many people on the right, sarah palin going all the way back have been hammering the media for decades. donald trump did what he does which is to take those things to the extreme and they had an impact. people don't trust the media and especially followers of donald trump. we are more and more than ever, we have a media that's speaking
to half of the country or a third of the country or however you divided up. there is increasing numbers of people that the media is not going to reach. even though we believe washington post and msnbc, i am sure. we believe we get it right and we don't get it right, we do correct it. those sort of claims and that sort of integrity are appreciated or valued or people just don't agree with it. i don't know exactly how the end game here and how this is going to end up hurting the country but it is already starting. and i believe that we just were losing the factual, common factual ground and it is frightening to watch. >> you hear the president saying if he were to be asked from republicans of a reflection of the media really kind of doing a bad job or is it that you now have a republican as president
who spoke loosely with the truth that we have been forced to fact check him constantly and in that realm, he does not like it. >> that's correct. we kind of moved into the george era where hate is love and war is peace. i have quick messages for the media that i developed more in-depth of my book. first, never forget what thomas jefferson said. given a choice between a free government and a free media. he will choose a free media. of course, you cannot have a free government without a free media. second, despite all the attacks of what's going on this administration had been good for the media because it has be resurvivedrevive the great mission of the media that tells people what to know. as an historia historian, it is
to be the press, it is going to be the -- finally i have to disagree with my colleague. donald trump's approval rating is down to 36% in a poll taken today. it is not as if even close to half the people are buying his lying about the media. >> new york times recently listed every one of the president's falsehoods since january and the list is extensive. these voters if they are convinced not to trust the feedback checkers of the media and the newspapers and msnbc of the world and cnn of the world. these falsehoods, they go unpunished. how do you gain their trust here or can you or no matter what are they believing what president trump had to say? >> i think in some way i agree
with eric and it is really scary to feel like you are writing about the facts or putting out these facts and for people to say well, you know what, because it is coming from an organization of undecided is against my candidate that i am not going to believe their facts anymore and i am going to believe the quote on quote, that the trump administration is going to give out. a lot of people supported donald trump as after the ""access hollywood" tape came out when i was driving through pennsylva a pennsylvania, people thought that he's going to leave the race. it supported the president even more, they felt that the media was gaining up on him. when media is pointing out facts and the president is lying today and here is what he said and here are the facts while we as a reporter feel as though we are
doing a service to the people, there are those that looks at it that the media is gaining up on him. >> can i respond to that? >> you can only remain the cover up so long. everything this administration is doing has the hallmark of a cover up. >> that's what i want to say, what can the media do? >> that is game and it does go back further than that. the writing in this country has claimed for the long time that the liberal is making up a lot of it is true. and trump weaponize it and took it to a whole new level. his supporters believing him and go along with him and they adopt think putin is a bad guy anymore. you cannot think about it. >> yes, telling the truth.
>> jeff, you guys thank you very much for joining me. i appreciate it. i am getting in my ear i got to wrap it up and i am basically getting yelled at. that wraps it up at this hour. "meet the press" is next everybody. onshipn the line. erin "the sharpshooter" shanahan fakes left. she's outside of the key, she shoots... ...she scores! uh... yes, erin, it is great time to score a deal. we need to make room for the 2018 models. relive the thrill of beating the clock. the volkswagen model year end event. hurry in for a $1,000 bonus and 0% apr on a new 2017 jetta or passat.
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